And to top it of, he need to take care of "himself". What I meant with it, was that Kain is still no step closer towards restoring the pillars and taking his place as the now purified Balance Guardian.ĭefiance ends with young Kains refusal to sacrifice himself and the fall of the pillars.Īnd there is also the problem with the Hylden, the possesion of Janos by the Hylden Lord and the good old grumpy squid god. Partially I meant in the theoretical temporal mechanics that occurs when something that's been established has having to happened, but then when circumstances are changed, an incident can occur in different order or having never occurred at all, however, the origin of the change(especially when it has a mental consciousness) we'll be aware, unlike anybody or anyone else, that a change has occured, and know the repercussions of that change, while simultaneously know the original event, before there was any change, thus in essence this 'origin' is seperate from anything or anybody, but can still act in accordance to keeping the new(though not noticed as new to anyone else) change intact.Originally posted by mdesaleah:Defiance already was the cleanup?Īt the end, you still need to understand the base of how Kain got into his situation, but most of the more complex Raziel plot got concluded. So while we don't know all of the things that changed to make it possible, we know that it did happen that way. We know this from Blood Omen and Soul Reaver 2. In Nosgoth, history reshuffles itself around the characters making the changes in history to accommodate both the changes *and* the characters' presence at the time and place they made the changes. Whether or not Kain fought the Hylden Lord doesn't have any impact on whether he will eventually travel back in time or not, at least according to the rules of time travel in this particular fictional world (where there is only a single timeline that can be changed).
Normally I don't get into debates about the story, but I don't think this makes sense. Might Janos still have been possed by The HL, without it being initiated by time-traveling, history-altering incidences ?Īs tediously(as in the form of a seemingly unique storyline) as it appears, certain ingredients of The LOK strory line, make it interesting, but has it's downside, in flaws as well. Might none of The Sarafan ever have killed Janos, and if so, was Janos alive when The Pillars entered their dehbelatative stage due to a certain vampire not scrificing himsefl ? How does Kain's empire come in to fruition, if no stops WTJ from running amok as The Nemesis ? So what is the known possible history of Nosgoth, before any one went back in time with a Reaver, to change, known established circumstances ? In order to understand what I said, you have add in the aspect of 'things as they originally were'.Ī history-alteration, is as such, changing some thing what had originally been.Īt what point in Nosgoth, is there not time-travelling or history-alterations ?
So essentially the Elder Kain that removed The BR from Raziel at the end of SR2, and The Fledling Kain that fought the HL in BO2, which occured because The HL possesed Janos, whom was ressurected by a Raziel not yet in The Reaver Blade, are and aren't, simultaneously the same Kain, mainly because in order to keep the story, as known so far, intact, Kain(and Raziel), no matter what variation, will have to go back through The Chronoplast, in order to make any of the events of SR2 even possibly plausible.īy the way, I decided to take a trip down memory lane, by revisiting old threads in The Defiance Spoiler Forum and stumbled upo the post of someone named Donnie(remeber?), anyways, as much as the writers have established so far to an extant, the use of time-travel as a backbome to the LOK story, the way in which time travel(specifically the component of 'altering history')has been imployed, nullifies the cohesion of the story. However when(and in the process) of altering history by postponing Raziel's absorption into The BR, Elder(Defiance)Kain essentially became a anomaly in a universe where certain events had not occured before in Nosgoth.Įlder(Defiance)Kain had made it a perogative to stop Raziel from ressurecting Janos, from what he had seen of the past altered version of Kain as observed in BO2. With Raziel out and about, he resurrected Janos, however with Janos being alive at the time Fledgling(BO1)Kain refused to sacrifice himself, to alleviate The Pillars, The Hylden Lord escaped, possesed Janos, allowed other Hylden to return to Nosgoth, defeat Fledling(BO2)Kain, where upon after 200 years, the events of BO2 take place.
I going to make a compromise between from what I have said and others have said.ĭid Elder(Defiance)Kain alter his past when he postponed Raziel's absorption into The BR at the end of SR2 ?
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